Talk:Jowee

The theory that Jowee wears on pants in the original DS games as stylistic choice is false, for the "brown" on the lower half of Jowee's sprite is so the sprite would'nt have looked 'flat' had it been colored completely orange. The coat of arms is the only time Jowee has had shorts on. Jowee has had official character design artwork to further support where his in game sprite's appearance is based off of. Drawn to life has been inconsistent about male characters weaing on pants but for Jowee specifically he has an actual character design.

Yeah, no, we're not doing this again. Stop bringing it up. I'm just gonna link my comment from the previous time you brought this up, since the situation is still the same: https://drawntolife.wiki/w/index.php?title=Topic:Xxuaxyj4ldbk52g9&topic_showPostId=xxydib68jzvmhsbt#flow-post-xxydib68jzvmhsbt

I was saying the wiki have no other sources other than that stylistic choice is just a fan theory. Ask 5th cell writers on information about that if you are looking for information regarding this discussion.

> I was saying the wiki have no other sources other than that stylistic choice

It does, namely that _every other male raposa in the games wears pants_. There is no reason for Jowee to be an exception. No orange fur is colored this shade of brown in any other sprite in the game.

We've been over this. Cut it out. I don't know why you're so obsessed with this detail. Find something better to do with your time.

You're one to say 5th cell should provide sources. I said that the wiki has stylistic choice as a theory, and having the discord doesn't proof anything because you may not have original writers from 5th Cell give citation for you to use. The wiki can prove people wrong over an opinion but then to have the nerve claiming sources are needed.

Okay, this has gone on long enough.

Let me try to re-explain Alph's point: based on the sprites themselves, most of the male Raposa in the first Drawn to Life likely used a similar design template for all the sprites, with a lot of the pixel structure reused - and that includes Jowee. Brown pants is also a commonality with Raposa sprites with many characters wearing them, and the fact he wears them here may indicate Jowee's sprite was simply following said template. Not to mention the sprites were designed before the portraits, a fact which, if I remember correctly, was confirmed by Chern Fai.

The fact the artwork in the games is inconsistent at times is not worth spending this much time debating with others over

I see that alot of writers decided to not change the format an with that I resign from Drawn to Life wiki.

About the game sprite for Jowee, the brown texture's 'brown pants' is just Jowee without pants. It's the same as with Jowee as seen in The Next Chapter's opening, when he was seen asleep in his bed, no pants. Many official artwork for the character depicts him with no pant The Raposa Coat of Arms being the only exception, and even that was a one time thing and doesn't take over what is an official design with the character which is wearing no pants on, even in game.

We've discussed this several times. Everyone except you agrees that he's wearing brown pants in his sprite. You're the only person that wants to remove this paragraph. Please stop removing it.

I'm sorry, but only you and the other wiki writers seem to believe that because you think you actually can write that on this site. your evidence is that 'it looks like pants' , and that is just because you refuse to look at the character sprite to even know what you're talking about.

That's not our only evidence. We've told you several times:

- All other raposa are wearing pants. Jowee would be the only one without pants. - The brown pixels on Jowee's sprite line up EXACTLY to where pants are on other sprites:

I don't know why you keep ignoring this. Again, we've told you several times, and you're the only one that insists on removing this paragraph. In fact, it seems like you're the one whose only evidence is 'it doesn't look like pants'. I don't know why you're so insistent in this. Please stop removing it, and please stop making new accounts when your old ones are blocked.

Why is it that Jowee has no information about his appearance in Drawn to Life: Two Realms? There needs to be more information on Jowee and his appearances in general.

Someone is free to add it, but do not assume that any information concerning his appearance in that game takes precedence over any other canon appearance.

In order to prevent an edit war, I'm making a thread here concerning the recent changes to Jowee's page. Primarily, this is about the recent revisions to the appearance section. While I appreciate making the article more concise, I believe the information regarding Jowee's appearance should be fully detailed, to include information about his pants.

Drawn to Life isn't consistent about how it portrays its characters, so it's generally best to describe all appearances and allow the reader to come to their own conclusions. For Jowee, this might be whether or not he wears pants, while for Mari it may be the style/color of her hair, etc. Nonetheless, the different portrayals are worth keeping as long as they're factual to a specific source.

But, since this is a collaborative wiki, we should have an open discussion here before making sweeping changes to these pages. In the meantime, I'm going to revert this page back to the initial edit until a conclusion is met.

Jowee does not wear pants in his official art. I highly suggest that that it's the same even with his original ds sprites;the sleeping sprite evidently does not have any bottoms. I don't think any male Raposa character with brown "pants" is legitimate.

Sprites are official art as well, and are just as relevant (if not more) than the boxart portrayals. ("Unofficial" art would likely only include things like the coat of arms, or other concept art, but I'd leave that for the community to decide.)

What do you suggest that the brown pixels are under the shirt then, for clarity? As for other male characters with brown pants, what about Indee? I can't see that he's wearing anything other than brown pants in his sprites.

I believe that official art and sprites are both important but I would like to mention that Jowee does not wear anything underneath his clothes in Drawn to Life The Next Chapter's opening and the sprites brown texture appears as such showing nothing about pants. Characters like Indee are wearing pants on. It's inconsistent with characters like Isaac wearing overall/pants and then not wearing any bottoms in Two Realms.

Personally I'm just wondering why any of these changes were needed. Comparing the current (reverted) version to the previous (edited) one, I just don't see how any of these new changes improve the page. For example, much of the Coat of Arms section was removed, and the introductory paragraph on the page is reworded, but I don't see good reason for either of those changes.

Good grief he’s naked!!

Personally, I see no positive to the recent changes made. If there's something that was missing in the DS games and showed up in other media, then that's something very much worth noting. The attempts to make the article concise also unnecessarily removed important information and made some parts harder to read.

Good grief he’s naked!!

Good grief he’s naked!!

I've locked the page and restored the changes to the appearance section until we can properly come up with an agreement.

The rest of the edits on the page look good to me. I'll let the community decide there, but here's the diff between the page's initial state and the latest: https://drawntolife.wiki/w/index.php?title=Jowee&type=revision&diff=20113&oldid=19822

Concerning the appearance section, what should we (as a community) do in terms of writing it out?